Comments for blog.peterfagerstrom.net - Society Architects http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net a blog by Peter Fagerström Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:40:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 Comment on The speech by Al Gore, climate change and sustainability. rel: the post below. by Peter http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2008/08/07/the-speech-by-al-gore-climate-change-and-sustainability-rel-the-post-below/#comment-61 Peter Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:56:35 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-speech-by-al-gore-climate-change-and-sustainability-rel-the-post-below/#comment-61 Impact: Natural unaffected ecosystems (forests, coral reefs, grassland...), clean water (drinking or otherwise), worked land, you could continue that the list for quite a bit. Objections: in most scientific areas objections are frowned upon...are they not? however if your objections are based on sound scientific data you will win someone over then some more and so on till you reach a consensus? At the moment is this planet is getting hotter...co2 is at least partly the cause ..we put a lot of it up there? the solutions make for a cooler planet? who knows if we can affect it the other way, they say we might be able to stop the raise..some say it will even "go back" to "normal". Regarding the brains I dunno but I'm fairly sure some of them was/are sitting in the IPCC. http://www.ipcc.ch Impact: Natural unaffected ecosystems (forests, coral reefs, grassland…), clean water (drinking or otherwise), worked land, you could continue that the list for quite a bit. Objections: in most scientific areas objections are frowned upon…are they not? however if your objections are based on sound scientific data you will win someone over then some more and so on till you reach a consensus?

At the moment is this planet is getting hotter…co2 is at least partly the cause ..we put a lot of it up there? the solutions make for a cooler planet? who knows if we can affect it the other way, they say we might be able to stop the raise..some say it will even “go back” to “normal”.
Regarding the brains I dunno but I’m fairly sure some of them was/are sitting in the IPCC. http://www.ipcc.ch

]]> Comment on Two speeches everyone should hear by Peter http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2008/07/25/two-speeches-everyone-should-hear/#comment-60 Peter Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:27:18 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/?p=102#comment-60 When doing a presentation you can almost always change the scales and manipulate the data so that it will show whatever you would like it to show. However the IPCC has been working on this issue for 20 years now? and the peace prize was for them too (well mainly i think) the reason why Gore got it, and this is pure speculations, is that the committee wanted to make a point that this IS a really important issue NOW. (Edit: 090807) Regarding the Nobel: "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change" from: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/ When doing a presentation you can almost always change the scales and manipulate the data so that it will show whatever you would like it to show. However the IPCC has been working on this issue for 20 years now? and the peace prize was for them too (well mainly i think) the reason why Gore got it, and this is pure speculations, is that the committee wanted to make a point that this IS a really important issue NOW.

(Edit: 090807) Regarding the Nobel: “for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change” from: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/

]]> Comment on Two speeches everyone should hear by thomas http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2008/07/25/two-speeches-everyone-should-hear/#comment-59 thomas Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:07:36 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/?p=102#comment-59 The edited "hockey club", the clear datamining for scientific reports against or in favor of anthropogenic effects on recent climate variation (some 1000s vs 0, in his "inconvenient lies"), extreme weather phenomena, draught, famine (famine being mostly cause by other reasons, than current climate change)... etc. This is the reason why if British teachers use this as study material in school, they (by court order) must tell the kids that "its not all true". I think its a disgrace that he was the figurehead of the nobelprize.... Besides, peace, WTF... (disclaimer: I agree, its really diff. to find "the truth", maybe because its not that simple) The edited “hockey club”, the clear datamining for scientific reports against or in favor of anthropogenic effects on recent climate variation (some 1000s vs 0, in his “inconvenient lies”), extreme weather phenomena, draught, famine (famine being mostly cause by other reasons, than current climate change)… etc.
This is the reason why if British teachers use this as study material in school, they (by court order) must tell the kids that “its not all true”.
I think its a disgrace that he was the figurehead of the nobelprize….
Besides, peace, WTF…

(disclaimer: I agree, its really diff. to find “the truth”, maybe because its not that simple)

]]> Comment on The speech by Al Gore, climate change and sustainability. rel: the post below. by thomas http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2008/08/07/the-speech-by-al-gore-climate-change-and-sustainability-rel-the-post-below/#comment-58 thomas Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:59:59 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-speech-by-al-gore-climate-change-and-sustainability-rel-the-post-below/#comment-58 Agreed, We do have an big impact, (maybe the biggest one not being C02), And while a lot of guys are saying sound things about sustainability IMHO Al Gore has an awfully high signal-to-noise ratio. Although while gas-prizes are going up and the american society is reacting heavily to this (and everyone from Disneyland to the whitehouse have the same lines about energy-dependency, so Al is not really a "leader" here), the real problem is not perhaps here, nor in CO2 impact and tropical storms but rather in the distribution of wealth and intelligence. The simple truth is that efficiency is bliss in everything... e.g. having single pane windows in a winter-area are is not sensible, nor is having the A/C on full while having all the windows open. Which is awfully common. It kinda silly to promote eco-tourism when what we "really" need is eco-(i.e. efficient) living (of course eco-everything is good, but just sounding green seems to be enough for most people, Whereas using resources efficiently with a "good" reason is frowned upon. Then just to quickly throw in a comment about the "consensus" about climate change you elude to, I have no big objections except, object to the "climate" where objection is frowned upon. There has not been many cases in history with equal conviction from people (both civvies and scientists) who simply shouldn't be oblivious to the ifs. I would like to have a count of people who actually have the brains to be convinced about this, I suspect the % would be smallish, but could be wrong Agreed, We do have an big impact, (maybe the biggest one not being C02),
And while a lot of guys are saying sound things about sustainability IMHO Al Gore has an awfully high signal-to-noise ratio.

Although while gas-prizes are going up and the american society is reacting heavily to this (and everyone from Disneyland to the whitehouse have the same lines about energy-dependency, so Al is not really a “leader” here), the real problem is not perhaps here, nor in CO2 impact and tropical storms but rather in the distribution of wealth and intelligence. The simple truth is that efficiency is bliss in everything… e.g. having single pane windows in a winter-area are is not sensible, nor is having the A/C on full while having all the windows open. Which is awfully common.

It kinda silly to promote eco-tourism when what we “really” need is eco-(i.e. efficient) living (of course eco-everything is good, but just sounding green seems to be enough for most people, Whereas using resources efficiently with a “good” reason is frowned upon.

Then just to quickly throw in a comment about the “consensus” about climate change you elude to, I have no big objections except, object to the “climate” where objection is frowned upon. There has not been many cases in history with equal conviction from people (both civvies and scientists) who simply shouldn’t be oblivious to the ifs.
I would like to have a count of people who actually have the brains to be convinced about this, I suspect the % would be smallish, but could be wrong

]]> Comment on Two speeches everyone should hear by Peter http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2008/07/25/two-speeches-everyone-should-hear/#comment-57 Peter Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:53:22 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/?p=102#comment-57 When I google it I get so and so many lies and untruths it's hard for me to know where to start, which lies and false data do you mean? When I google it I get so and so many lies and untruths it’s hard for me to know where to start, which lies and false data do you mean?

]]> Comment on Two speeches everyone should hear by thomas http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2008/07/25/two-speeches-everyone-should-hear/#comment-56 thomas Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:45:07 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/?p=102#comment-56 Why would the top one be a speech to hear? I thought sustainability was about telling the truth. Al Gores trying to pass of as a guy who "speaks science", and yet knowingly, by agenda, is telling really outrageous lies to get his point across. And later even admits to doing so and saying it was necessary and justified! No Sir, I respectfully disagree, the need to falsify data usually means something. At least where scientists live. Why would the top one be a speech to hear?
I thought sustainability was about telling the truth.
Al Gores trying to pass of as a guy who “speaks science”, and yet knowingly, by agenda, is telling really outrageous lies to get his point across. And later even admits to doing so and saying it was necessary and justified!

No Sir, I respectfully disagree, the need to falsify data usually means something. At least where scientists live.

]]> Comment on Dear friends and fellow nomads! by Helena Hildur W. by Christine Birmann http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/nurope/dear-friends-and-fellow-nomads-by-helena-hildur-w/#comment-51 Christine Birmann Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:16:06 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/nurope/dear-friends-and-fellow-nomads-by-helena-hildur-w/#comment-51 Dear Helena, I hope this will reach you, it was so nice to speak to you again! Perhaps we can be in contact via the internet more often? Lots of love for today, Christine Dear Helena,
I hope this will reach you, it was so nice to speak to you again! Perhaps we can be in contact via the internet more often?
Lots of love for today,
Christine

]]> Comment on online? offline? by sis http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2007/08/08/online-offline/#comment-5 sis Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:52:05 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/online-offline/#comment-5 online ;) online ;)

]]> Comment on news and views by Peter http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2007/07/31/news-and-views/#comment-4 Peter Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:37:02 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/news-and-views/#comment-4 I agree, to be an informed citizen these days takes effort, effort to yourself investigate the subject you are interested to find out the facts yourself of simply factcheck the media, there are alot of good journalists out there and some new and promising crowdreporting efforts check for example out; http://newassignment.net/ "New Assignment.Net is a non-profit site that tries to spark innovation in journalism by showing that open collaboration over the Internet among reporters, editors and large groups of users can produce high-quality work that serves the public interest, holds up under scrutiny, and builds trust." We're all average, in one way or another as-well-as not. I agree, to be an informed citizen these days takes effort, effort to yourself investigate the subject you are interested to find out the facts yourself of simply factcheck the media, there are alot of good journalists out there and some new and promising crowdreporting efforts check for example out;
http://newassignment.net/

“New Assignment.Net is a non-profit site that tries to spark innovation in journalism by showing that open collaboration over the Internet among reporters, editors and large groups of users can produce high-quality work that serves the public interest, holds up under scrutiny, and builds trust.”
We’re all average, in one way or another as-well-as not.

]]> Comment on news and views by Jamigo http://blog.peterfagerstrom.net/2007/07/31/news-and-views/#comment-3 Jamigo Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:17:34 +0000 http://socarc.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/news-and-views/#comment-3 Massmedia is a terrible weapon for controlling average people. Sorry for using term "average", but you know what I mean. Massmedia is a terrible weapon for controlling average people. Sorry for using term “average”, but you know what I mean.

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